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Ukraine does not have any borders so what exactly are they defending

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YOU WILL NOT READ THIS IN MAINSTREAM MEDIA: The Secretary-General of the United Nations said that Ukraine has not asked for registration on the border since 1991 so the Ukrainian state does not exist. And we knew nothing about it.

04/07/2014 Ban Ki-moon UN Secretary-General made a surprising statement, which was banned from broadcasting on Ukrainian media and the internet. The conflict between the two countries was discussed at the UN Security Council meeting.

The following conclusion was withdrawn from there: Ukraine has not registered its borders since 12/25 1991, the UN has not registered the borders of Ukraine as a sovereign state. This is why we can assume that Russia does not commit violations of rights over Ukraine.

According to the CIS Treaty, the territory of Ukraine is the Soviet Union’s public administration area. For this reason, no one can be blamed for separatism and the forced modification of the borders of Ukraine.

According to international law, the country simply has no officially recognized borders. In order to solve this problem, Ukraine must stop closing borders with neighbouring countries and obtain an agreement between neighbouring countries, including Russia on their common borders. Ukraine must document everything and sign contracts with all neighbouring states.

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The European Union is committed to supporting Ukraine on this important issue and will provide all technical assistance. But will Russia sign a border treaty with Ukraine? No, not because Russia is the lawyer of the Soviet Union (this is confirmed by the decisions of the international courts on real estate disputes between the former Soviet Union and foreign countries), those are the lands in Ukraine, Belarus and Novorossiya connected legally to Russia and no one has the right without them Russia’s consent to have this territory.

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Basically, Russia was left to say that this area is Russian and that everything that happens there is Russia inside. Any intervention shall be considered an action against Russia. 2014 can be cancelled on this basis. Elections on May 25 and they do what the people want. According to the Budapest Memorandum and other agreements, Ukraine has no borders. There is no state of Ukraine (and there was neither. – Alexandre Panine

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  1. Is there a source for this? I recently mentioned this in a neighborhood social media group and was pretty much lambasted with one person showing me a screenshot of an agreement between Russia and Ukraine agreeing to Ukraine’s border as registered by the U.N. Thanks!

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    • Putin covers it well: a creation of Lenin, enacted after his death. Post 1991 the new borders were never defined and registered with the UN.

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    • I got into an argument on steam about this very thing and went hunting to see what I could find. The results are quite intriguing. Here’s my original post on steam discussion.

      Sorry it took a while to dig through the UN digital library.
      https://digitallibrary.un.org/search?ln=en&p=Ukrainian%20border&f=&rm=&ln=en&sf=&so=d&rg=50&c=Resource%20Type&c=UN%20Bodies&c=&of=hb&fti=0&fct__1=Treaties%20and%20Agreements&fti=0

      Searching through the treaties for the maps and the years for letters of approval.
      Only one letter of agreement was was available dedicated to the map boundaries and this letter is only from the Ukrainian side and only signed by Ukraine. I cannot find anything that Putin signed to agree with these border plans.
      Likewise for Belarus and Romania. Only maps, not letters of agreement.
      Hungary have a signed letter of co-operation but no definitive border maps drawn up.
      There is nothing for the remaining countries of Moldova, Slovakia or Poland, neither maps of the border nor letters of agreement.

      I did find that somehow without any of these, the UN forced through the certification in January of 2017 and the only documents submitted was for the border with Russia and the Statement of agreement signed by only Ukraine.

      So from that assessment I’d say the rushed certification of Ukraine in 2017 (pretty much based only on google maps) is completely illegal by international standards and by the UN’s own charter. Therefore, as of the end of the USSR, has failed to meet all legal requirements to establish itself as a Sovereign Nation, thus leaving itself under the old USSR administration, which the Russian Federation inherited and became the administration for the area. From this conclusion, you should be lucky that Ukraine is even recognised at all in any capacity.

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      • Not sure how to edit previous post, but I made a more complete collection.

        Someone was debating with me as to why Ukraine doesn’t technically exist. So I went hunting to prove why. This is what I posted to the debate on Steam of all things.
        Sorry it took a while to dig through the UN digital library.
        Searching through the treaties for the maps and the years for letters of approval.
        Only one letter of agreement was was available dedicated to the map boundaries and this letter is only from the Ukrainian side and only signed by Ukraine. I cannot find anything that Putin signed to agree with these border plans.
        Likewise for Belarus and Romania. Only maps, not letters of agreement.
        Hungary have a signed letter of co-operation but no definitive border maps drawn up.
        There is nothing for the remaining countries of Moldova, Slovakia or Poland, neither maps of the border nor letters of agreement.
        I did find that somehow without any of these, the UN forced through the certification in January of 2017 and the only documents submitted was for the border with Russia and the Statement of agreement signed by only Ukraine.
        So from that assessment I’d say the rushed certification of Ukraine in 2017 (pretty much based only on google maps) is completely illegal by international standards and by the UN’s own charter. Therefore, as of the end of the USSR, has failed to meet all legal requirements to establish itself as a Sovereign Nation, thus leaving itself under the old USSR administration, which the Russian Federation inherited and became the administration for the area. From this conclusion, you should be lucky that Ukraine is even recognised at all in any capacity.
        Treaties and Maps:
        https://digitallibrary.un.org/search?ln=en&p=Ukrainian%20border&f=&rm=&ln=en&sf=&so=d&rg=50&c=Resource%20Type&c=UN%20Bodies&c=&of=hb&fti=0&fct__1=Treaties%20and%20Agreements&fti=0
        No belarus agreement letter from the proposed borders in 1997: https://digitallibrary.un.org/search?ln=en&p=Ukrainian%20border&f=&rm=&ln=en&sf=&so=d&rg=50&c=Resource%20Type&c=UN%20Bodies&c=&of=hb&fti=0&fct__3=1993&fti=0
        However there was an agreement of mutual commitment to maintaining the status quo but no boundaries submitted:
        https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/197253?ln=en
        No signature from Putin on UN database, only Ukraine:
        https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/487317?ln=en
        However I did find a possible gentleman’s agreement about the “Frontier” between Russia and Ukraine going forward after the dissolution of the USSR was done. However, I can’t relocate that link. But again that was just an unsigned document of the UN urging both sides to remain cordial and respect each other.
        Hungary has a letter of co-operation signed but no definitive border maps drawn up:
        https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/103075?ln=en

        I was also shown a .pdf of an agreement signed in 2003 to the agreement on the Ukraine/Russian border, but not where to find this file, searching for it based off the .pdf link only brings me to a UN 404 page. So I haven’t included it here for now. That said, what concerns me as mentioned above is the forced certification in 2017 of this Ukraine/Russia border and countries declaring Ukraine recognised without any of the borders with Ukraine’s other neighbouring countries signed. This whole thing stinks no matter which way you look at it.

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  2. Israel does not have fixed borders either.

    Golda Mabovitch (Meir) as the Statue of Liberty in the Young Poale Zion Pageant in Milwaukee. May 19, 1919. Her family emigrated from the Ukraine in 1906 when she was 8. Golda adopted Socialist Zionism in her early 20s. (CSU_2015_11_1643)

    This image could have imperfections as it’s either historical or reportage.

    https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-golda-mabovitch-meir-as-the-statue-of-liberty-in-the-young-poale-zion-87519939.html

    The Statue of ‘Liberty’
    .
    Rev.17:17 “For God gave it into their hearts to do his mind – to act in one mind – and to give their kingdom to the beast. And the woman whom you saw is the great city [New York = 666 in english gematria] having a kingdom over the kings of the Earth [Canaanite owned Banks/UN]
    .
    .
    From,
    “The Two Babylons” by Alexander Hislop, p.77
    .

    “……..In Egypt she was styled Athor——i.e., “the Habitation of God”. to signify that in her dwelt all the “fulness of the Godhead.” To point out the the great goddess-mother, in a Pantheistic sense, as at once the Infinite and Almighty one, and the Virgin mother, this inscription was engraven upon one of her temples in Egypt: “I am all that has been, or that is, or that shall be. no mortal has removed my veil. The fruit that I have brought forth is the Sun.”
    .
    “I sit as a queen and am not a widow”. “She is the express image of the beast that had the wound by the sword and did live”. See page 63 of “The Two Babylons” by Alexander Hislop. “Before 72 judges in Egypt, he, Nimrod was found guilty and put to death. His dead body was cut into pieces and different parts were sent to different cities around the country. This was done to be a terror to any who might after tread in his steps. From then paganism had to operate in secret, thus the “Mystery Babylon” under seal of secrecy and oath was born”.
    .
    From “Am,” “mother,” and “arka,” “earth,” you get “Amarka,” “The Mother of the Earth.”, alias Rhea, Cybele etc, The Mother of Gods and Men, alias the Roman Catholic Mary [the first Jesuits were Jews], the “queen of heaven” [Jeremiah 44:17,18,19,25], and most surely these manifestations which all represent Nimrods wife are represented by the “Statue of Liberty” in New York harbour. [ note 1, p.77. The Goddess Mother of Habitation” – “The Two Babylons” by Alexander Hislop.]
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    and from the same book page 158 — The Golden Cup —- Revelation 17:4
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    “……….Thus then the cup bearing goddess was at once Venus, the goddess of licentiousness, and Nemesis, the stern and unmerciful one to all who rebelled against her authority.
    .

    How remarkable a woman, whom John saw [Rev.] described in one aspect as the “Mother of harlots” and in another as “Drunken with the blood of the saints!”
    .
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+50-51%2CRevelation+17-19&version=NKJV

    http://humansarefree.com/2014/04/the-secret-worship-of-illuminati-statue.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2037582/The-copper-Statue-Liberty-appeared-New-York-1880s.html#ixzz4vdDS15ag

    http://www.dw.com/en/13-facts-about-the-statue-of-liberty/a-36162517

    17 Rouse yourself! Rouse yourself! Arise, O Jerusalem, you who have drunk from the Lord’s hand the cup of His anger.
    godskingdom.org/blog/2020/11/isaiah-prophet-of-salvation-book-7-part-18

    https://web.archive.org/web/20061013234529/http://www.holywar.org/jewishtr/index.html

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  3. Neither does Israel –

    “It is worth emphasizing that the “Jewish state” was founded on the basis of an ancient Biblical map, and to this date the “Jewish state” still refuses to declare its borders in favor of future expansion. There is nothing like this Biblical map to send shivers among Arabs and Muslims, since its borders spans the occupied West Bank (including occupied East Jerusalem), occupied Gaza Strip, southern Lebanon, the western parts of Jordan, and southern Syria including the occupied Golan Heights.

    This deep fear was the prime motive behind the Palestinian and Arab rejection of the U.N. GA proposed partition plan in 1947″.

    https://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Famous-Zionist-Quotes/Story695.html

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